tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14962422.post2556652696189296065..comments2023-09-20T11:39:52.182-04:00Comments on Crunchy Granola: Professor Ms. Mannerssusanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12000470374101306070noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14962422.post-76119682182180281272007-12-21T21:31:00.000-05:002007-12-21T21:31:00.000-05:00I guess I kind of think it's like any really bad n...I guess I kind of think it's like any really bad news? You express sorrow at the news, and then try to take the other person's lead. Well, unless you voted against the person. Then you, I dunno, try to be honest, ethical, and humane. (Been there, not fun.)Bardiachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11846065504793800266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14962422.post-87200677681046101402007-12-20T13:25:00.000-05:002007-12-20T13:25:00.000-05:00Wow.This was quite a blog to stumble into given my...Wow.<BR/><BR/>This was quite a blog to stumble into given my own post today about my having given up the psuedo-academic world (I've been teaching at one of those lower-tier teaching oriented places...a community college -- for seven years). I actually am on a leave of absence to try (unsuccessfully so far) to get pregnant.<BR/><BR/>It is an awful, emotional, political thing -- even at my college where I was an adjunct through three hiring rounds of not being hired full-time and then FINALLY, by the skin of my teeth, being hired a few years ago -- and now, ironically, thinking about throwing in the proverbial towel.<BR/><BR/>As for me? I was given the job -- only to find that the job has kept me from writing -- the thing I really wanted to do -- and perhaps the thing I should focus on, but I'm not sure anyone could have told me anything that would have made it any easier.<BR/><BR/>I just needed a listener, mostly.<BR/><BR/>Anyway -- nice to stumble in,<BR/><BR/>PamWordgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06580973104447557466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14962422.post-7371053324894242212007-12-19T22:14:00.000-05:002007-12-19T22:14:00.000-05:00I'm not in that situation, nor do I know anyone in...I'm not in that situation, nor do I know anyone in that situation at the moment, but I think there is never a bad time to bring a lasagne to a friend. Or cookies. Or a turkey tetrazzini if they eat meat. Or a pie.<BR/><BR/>Food is (almost) always appropriate.<BR/><BR/>Or a gift certificate to a spa day if they're dieting.Liz Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09469435277058701080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14962422.post-17890223254736398312007-12-18T15:33:00.000-05:002007-12-18T15:33:00.000-05:00I really like this post (hi, sorry I haven't been ...I really like this post (hi, sorry I haven't been over here much recently!). (And you're right, that's exactly what TR said, very wisely. ;-D) I think your advice, and niobe's advice, are very good - what was most upsetting to me at the time was when people simply said nothing about it at all (like all but one of my senior colleagues...but we won't go there). There was a woman who went through a similar kind of experience, except at the beginning of the year, and when this happened to me I really regretted that I hadn't said something directly to her (at the time, I hadn't wanted to bring it up because I thought it might be awkward). Just letting the friend take the lead is probably good - there were times when I wanted to obsess and wallow, but other times when I was sick of thinking about the whole thing. <BR/><BR/>(Reassurance that just because this had happened didn't mean I was a failure, a loser, and an idiot for ever having tried this profession was always nice, though!)<BR/><BR/>Though I don't mean to set myself up as the expert b/c I went through something similar! People respond so differently, and situations vary so much. Just my two cents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14962422.post-89008648127088680432007-12-18T11:00:00.000-05:002007-12-18T11:00:00.000-05:00Park ranger has always been one of my career alter...Park ranger has always been one of my career alternatives, too!<BR/><BR/>I think the issue here isn't so much what will Tenure-Denied-Friend do him/herself, but how to be a friend to TDF. So if TDF wants to leave academia, or if TDF wants to look for another job, what's the role of an (academic) friend here?susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12000470374101306070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14962422.post-62830678258620412782007-12-18T10:50:00.000-05:002007-12-18T10:50:00.000-05:00The most uncomfortable aspect of this situation is...The most uncomfortable aspect of this situation is that we live fairly far away from where Partner teaches, and she usually spends several nights a week at this friend's house...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14962422.post-34179462453947518532007-12-18T10:41:00.000-05:002007-12-18T10:41:00.000-05:00Personally, if I were denied tenure, I'd like to d...Personally, if I were denied tenure, I'd like to disappear without a trace, without anyone making a big deal of it.<BR/><BR/>But I know that in the cases where people have been denied tenure at L's school (where, until recently, denial of tenure has been so rare as to be shocking), we've invited the person over or for coffee and at least said something like "I've heard you had some bad news," leaving it up to the person if she wanted to discuss it further.niobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10685766216611639434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14962422.post-10792400573187956892007-12-18T10:23:00.000-05:002007-12-18T10:23:00.000-05:00I have long thought that if I get denied tenure, I...I have long thought that if I get denied tenure, I'm outta academia. It's just not worth it to try to beg my school, or beg some other school. I could finally become a park ranger!<BR/><BR/>Alternatively, I could be very happy at a lower-tier or teaching-oriented school, if they could find a place for someone in my field.Ianquihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03268223727887685830noreply@blogger.com